Friday, June 17, 2022

What A Can-Of-Worms

I told you this would happen!

Religious Freedom, the Republican buzz word is going to bite them in the a**.

The next move needs to be from someone who is not a member of an organized religion to say that it is their deeply held beliefs that life begins at birth.

This will force the Supreme Court to either say that "Religious Freedom" only applies to organized religions or that it applies to all personal beliefs and boy will that back the Court in a corner.

Synagogue challenges Florida abortion law over religion
AP News
By Curt Anderson
June 14, 2022

A new Florida law prohibiting abortion after 15 weeks with some exceptions violates religious freedom rights of Jews in addition to the state constitution’s privacy protections, a synagogue claims in a lawsuit.

The lawsuit filed by the Congregation L’Dor Va-Dor of Boynton Beach contends the law that takes effect July 1 violates Jewish teachings, which state abortion “is required if necessary to protect the health, mental or physical well-being of the woman” and for other reasons.

“As such, the act prohibits Jewish women from practicing their faith free of government intrusion and this violates their privacy rights and religious freedom,” says the lawsuit, filed Friday in Leon County Circuit Court.

The lawsuit adds that people who “do not share the religious views reflected in the act will suffer” and that it “threatens the Jewish people by imposing the laws of other religions upon Jews.”

The lawsuit is the second challenge to the 15-week abortion ban enacted earlier this year by the Legislature and signed into law by Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. Planned Parenthood and other reproductive health providers also sued earlier this month to block the law from taking effect.

This what happens when political ideology are rushed through with thinking about all the ramifications.  They want to appease their evangelical base and they have been so focused on overturning Roe v Wade that they never thought about what would happen once they did. Back when the Supreme Court ruled on the case in 1973 “Religious Freedom” wasn’t an issue but since then the Republicans have made it their rallying cry. With the passage of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 it became a whole new ballgame.

Not ever religion believes that life begins at conception besides the Jewish religion there are,

When does life begin? Religions don't agree
By Sarah McCammon
May 8, 2022

In a bill introduced this past week, a Louisiana lawmaker describes human life as "created in the image of God" and seeks to make abortion a homicide from the moment of fertilization – sparking concerns from reproductive rights advocates that such a law would also jeopardize access to contraception and fertility treatments.

Debates around abortion often center around the issue of when life begins, and adjacent religious and moral questions. It came up during oral arguments last year in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, a major abortion case currently before the Supreme Court.

This Mississippi clinic is at the center of the case that could end Roe v. Wade

Justice Sonia Sotomayor asked Mississippi's solicitor general to explain his view that the state should be allowed to ban abortions, calling it a religious question that's been debated since the beginning of time.

"It's still debated in religions," she said. "So when you say this is the only right that takes away from the state the ability to protect a life, that's a religious view, isn't it?"


Amicus briefs in the Dobbs case before the Supreme Court have come from a wide variety of faith groups — with widely varying positions. A brief from the Freedom from Religion Foundation and other groups argues that religion is "at the heart" of anti-abortion laws, and that "government has no business requiring citizens to comply with the religious beliefs of those who are in power."

So the Supreme Court has the following options:

  •     Let Roe v Wade stand.
  •     Allow the states to pass their own abortion bans.

If they let Roe v Wade stand there will be no further problems but if they overturn Roe v Wade then they opened Pandora’s Box.

  •    What happens to people whose religion allows abortions like the Jewish religion?
  •    What happens to people whose personal beliefs are that life begins at birth?

And if the courts rules that you must be a member of an established religion what was that mean for the Second Amendment,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Wouldn’t that mean that the court just recognized an established religion and negated personal beliefs?

I think that some justices of the Supreme Court have their blinders on and are only focusing on the “Brass Ring” and not the results of the ruling.

The best thing to do is let each person decide on their own and not get government get in the way.


My personal belief is that abortion is wrong except in cases of rape or incest, that there are many ways to prevent pregnancy, however those are my personal beliefs and it should not be imposed on anyone else.

Update 7:30 PM

After I wrote I came across a news article about what could the laws Achilles heel for the anti-abortion laws and it is all do to Republicans bragging about the laws.

Religious freedom: The next battleground for US abortion rights?

As a synagogue sues Florida over a new abortion law, experts say faith could be at the heart of ‘post-Roe’ abortion defence.
Al Jazeera
By Jillian Kestler-D'Amours
17 Jun 2022


Church-state separation

There are two primary ways to make religious freedom arguments on abortion, Platt said. A person can argue they have a religious obligation to do something, but that a law or policy punishes them for acting on their beliefs, or they can argue that a law or policy violates church-state separation.

That latter principle is set out in the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the US Constitution, which bars the government from passing any law “respecting an establishment of religion”.

The Jewish law suite is of the first type, “... A person can argue they have a religious obligation to do something, but that a law or policy punishes them for acting on their beliefs…” and the Republicans open the door with their bragging.

In Florida, Governor Ron DeSantis signed the state’s new abortion legislation, known as HB 5, in a ceremony at Nacion de Fe Church in the city of Kissimmee – something that Silver, the rabbi, argued demonstrates that it is religiously-driven and a violation of church-state separation.

“They usually try to hide the religious influence behind [these abortion laws] so that [they] can’t be challenged on religious grounds. But in this case, they weren’t that careful,” he told Al Jazeera. “They announced it at a church, they said God was going to make sure everything is OK – and they clearly revealed the religious influence.”

Open mouth insert legal loophole.

Indeed, other religious communities in the US, including Muslims, and non-religious Americans have raised concerns about the influence that hardline Christians are exerting on people who do not share their strict views on abortion – namely, that life begins at conception.

All the politicians in Arizona, Idaho, Kentucky, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Texas, and Wyoming have used religion in their talks about the law… and so did the Supreme Court Justices.

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