Wednesday, October 02, 2024

So The Early Polls Are In!

The big question is “Who won?” and reading various polls and article we can safely say, it was… a draw! Just like the election polls split right down the middle. Yup, just like everything else political 50/50.
Many Americans say Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) outperformed Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) during Tuesday night’s vice presidential debate, according to polling from CBS News, which hosted the forum.

According to the CBS poll, 42 percent of debate watchers say Vance, a Yale-trained lawyer, won the debate. Walz trails closely behind with 41 percent of viewers saying he was victorious. About 17 percent said it was a tie.

The event marked one of the most civil national-level debates in recent history. There was no name-calling or personal attacks, and the men often agreed with one another and shared emotion about their children.

Nearly all, 88 percent, of those that watched the debate said the Vance-Walz face-off was generally positive, while 12 percent said it was generally negative, the survey showed.

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A similar survey conducted by CNN following the debate found Vance performed better on stage than Walz, but not by much. Just over 50 percent of viewers in the survey said Vance, who is former President Trump’s running mate, did a better job while 49 percent chose Walz.

CNN noted that viewers say Vance surprised those watching with his performance. In a survey conducted among the same voters prior to the debate, Walz held the advantage over his GOP opponent by 54 percent to 45 percent.
Some articles snippets...

Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance refused to acknowledge that Donald Trump lost the 2020 presidential election during the vice presidential debate Tuesday and downplayed the seriousness of the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, which injured more than 140 law enforcement officers.
Dead even: POLITICO snap poll shows stark division on debate
The results reflect the country’s hyper-polarized politics.
Partisans on both sides will have arguments for why their guy did well at certain times and not as well at others in the first and only vice-presidential debate Tuesday night between Republican JD Vance and Democrat Tim Walz.

This debate likely will not move the needle at all in this presidential campaign, because — first and foremost — no one votes for the vice-presidential pick. After all, the most important rule of being a running mate is, “First, do no harm.”
Here is PolitiFact score card...

Vance Walz
  • Vance: "Vance: "We have 320,000 children that the Department of Homeland Security has effectively lost. Some of them have been sex trafficked." - Mostly False.
  • Vance: "So there's an application called the CBP One app, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for parole and be granted legal status." - Mostly False.
  • Vance: "As I read the Minnesota law that (Walz) signed into law … it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide lifesaving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion." - False.
  • Vance: "Iran, which launched this attack (on Israel), has received over $100 billion and unfrozen assets, thanks to the Kamala Harris administration." - False.
  • Vance: "What (Harris has) actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%, drive the cost of housing higher by about 60%." - Half True.
  • Vance: "Kamala Harris let in fentanyl into our communities at record levels." - Mostly False.
  • Vance: "Donald Trump could have destroyed the (Affordable Care Act). Instead, he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to affordable care." - False.
  • Vance: Donald Trump "peacefully gave over power on January the 20th as we have done for 250 years in this country." - Mostly False.
  • Walz: "Their Project 2025 is gonna have a registry of pregnancies." - False.
  • Walz: "When Iranian missiles did fall near U.S. troops and they received traumatic brain injuries, Donald Trump wrote it off as ‘headaches.’" - True.
  • Walz said he ‘misspoke’ about being in Hong Kong during 1989 Tiananmen Square protests
  • Walz: "And the good news on this is, is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nation's history." - Mostly True.
  • Walz: "Look, I got a, I got a 17-year-old and he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball." - True.
  • Walz: "Sen. Vance has said that there's a climate problem in the past. Donald Trump called it (climate change) a hoax and then joked that these things would make more beachfront property to be able to invest in." - True.
  • Walz: "We are producing more natural gas and more oil at any time than we ever have." - True.
  • Walz: "Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal tax in the last 15 years. The last year as president." - Mostly False.
  • Walz: Trump "gave the tax cuts that predominantly went to the top class. What happened there was an $8 trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever." - Mostly True.

AP News has their own fact checks here.

So what did you think?

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